Legislature(1999 - 2000)

01/14/2000 08:07 AM Senate BUD

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         JOINT COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE BUDGET AND AUDIT                                                                        
                        January 14, 2000                                                                                        
                            8:07 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gail Phillips, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Con Bunde                                                                                                        
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative Gary Davis                                                                                                       
Representative Gene Therriault                                                                                                  
Representative Eldon Mulder (Alternate)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Al Adams                                                                                                                
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Drue Pearce (Alternate)                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
APPROVAL OF MINUTES                                                                                                             
CONSIDERATION OF RPLs                                                                                                           
EXECUTIVE SESSION                                                                                                               
AUDIT REPORTS                                                                                                                   
REPORT FROM THE DENALI COMMISSION                                                                                               
OTHER COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                        
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DAVID TEAL, Legislative Fiscal Analyst                                                                                          
Legislative Finance Division                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
P.O. Box 113200                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99811                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an explanation of the two RPLs up                                                                 
for consideration.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TOM LAWSON, Director,                                                                                                           
Division of Administrative Services                                                                                           
Department of Community and Economic Development (DCED)                                                                         
P.O. Box 110803                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99811                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on RPL 08-0-0101.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANET CLARK, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Administrative Services                                                                                             
Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS)                                                                                 
P.O. Box 110650                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99811                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on RPL 06-0-0180.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MATT ANDERSON, Unit Manager                                                                                                     
Community Health and Emergency Medical Services                                                                                 
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                        
P.O. Box 110650                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99811                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on RPL 06-0-0180.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KRAG JOHNSON, Legislative Coordinator                                                                                         
Denali Commission                                                                                                               
510 L Street, Number 410                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Provided  information   on  the   Denali                                                              
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFF STASER, Co-Chairman                                                                                                        
Denali Commission                                                                                                               
510 L Street, Number 410                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Provided  information   on  the   Denali                                                              
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 00-1, SIDE A                                                                                                               
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GAIL PHILLIPS  called the  Joint  Committee on  Legislative                                                              
Budget and  Audit meeting to order  at 8:07 a.m.   Members present                                                              
at the call to order were Representatives  Phillips, Bunde, Croft,                                                              
Davis   and  Therriault,   and  Senators   Phillips  and   Wilken.                                                              
Representative  Mulder  and  Senators Adams,  Halford  and  Pearce                                                              
arrived after the call to order.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS  introduced  her new committee  staff, Pat  Hartley                                                              
from Homer.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The following staff members from  the Legislative Finance Division                                                              
introduced themselves:   Ginger Blaisdell, Fiscal  Analyst, who is                                                              
responsible  for  the Department  of  Health and  Social  Services                                                              
(DHSS) and the  statewide operating budget; Rob  Carpenter, Fiscal                                                              
Analyst,  who  is  responsible  for the  Department  of  Law,  the                                                              
Department  of Public Safety,  the Department  of Corrections  and                                                              
the Alaska  Court System;  Michael Crabb,  Fiscal Analyst,  who is                                                              
responsible  for  the  University  of Alaska,  the  Department  of                                                              
Environmental  Conservation (DEC)  and the  Department of  Natural                                                              
Resources  (DNR);   Tracy  Carpenter,   Fiscal  Analyst,   who  is                                                              
responsible  for   the  capital  budget  and  the   Department  of                                                              
Transportation  (DOT);  Amanda  Ryder,   Fiscal  Analyst,  who  is                                                              
responsible   for  the  Department   of  Community   and  Economic                                                              
Development  (DCED),  the  Department  of  Military  and  Veterans                                                              
Affairs (DMVA),  the Alaska  Department of  Fish and Game  (ADF&G)                                                              
and the  Department of  Revenue (DOR).   It  was noted that  Diana                                                              
Forbes (ph),  not present,  is responsible  for the Department  of                                                              
Administration   and  the  Department   of  Labor  and   Workforce                                                              
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
APPROVAL OF MINUTES                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS indicated the first  order of business would be the                                                              
approval  of the  minutes from  the Legislative  Budget and  Audit                                                              
meeting held on December 16, 1999.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0250                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a  motion to approve  the minutes  from the                                                              
December 16, 1999, meeting.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS  asked whether  there were  any objections.   There                                                              
being none, the  minutes from the December 16,  1999, meeting were                                                              
approved as read.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CONSIDERATION OF RPLS (REVISED PROGRAM - LEGISLATIVE)                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0268                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS indicated  the next order of business  would be the                                                              
consideration of the RPLs.  The first  RPL under consideration was                                                              
08-0-0101/DCED Industry Network Corporation Grant.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0312                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  TEAL,  Legislative  Fiscal   Analyst,  Legislative  Finance                                                              
Division, Alaska State Legislature,  explained that the RPL, 08-0-                                                              
0101, is a  grant for $145,000 and  contains two parts:   one part                                                              
is for the forest products development  specialist, and the second                                                              
is a grant intended  to help match Alaska companies  with overseas                                                              
buyers.   Mr. Teal indicated  there are  a number of  subparts; it                                                              
will  fund   some  salaries   and  space,   which  currently   are                                                              
obligations of the  agency; it will also fund  an Alaskan products                                                              
catalogue and provide  some assistance to Alaskan  companies.  Mr.                                                              
Teal summarized by saying that it  pays to do some things that the                                                              
DCED is already  doing, because it  will free up money  to pay for                                                              
the forest products development specialist,  which is in the first                                                              
part of the grant.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TEAL  pointed  out  that the  Legislative  Budget  and  Audit                                                              
Committee  took up  the  RPL 08-0-0101  in  the  last meeting,  on                                                              
December 16,  1999.   He indicated  some concerns were  expressed.                                                              
The first was that  cuts were made in these areas  during the last                                                              
legislative  session,   but  the  Legislative  Budget   and  Audit                                                              
Committee was  not sure  of the subcommittee's  approval  of those                                                              
cuts.   Second,  there  was a  formal  memorandum  written by  the                                                              
subcommittee chair objecting to those  cuts, but the objection has                                                              
been withdrawn.   Third, there was a concern with  future funding.                                                              
In the  DCED's December 16,  1999, presentation, it  appeared that                                                              
the  funding  was  speculative  beyond  this  fiscal  year.    The                                                              
Legislative Finance Division had  spoken with the Industry Network                                                              
Corporation (INC), which had indicated  there was a good chance of                                                              
receiving some continued funding;  however, there are no promises.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TOM  LAWSON,   Director,  Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department   of  Community   and   Economic  Development   (DCED),                                                              
indicated  there   were  some  concerns  expressed   at  the  last                                                              
Legislative Budget and Audit meeting  by Representative Austerman,                                                              
who  had submitted  a  letter to  the committee.    Representative                                                              
Austerman's  concerns were  addressed,  and he  has withdrawn  his                                                              
objection to the RPL, 08-0-0101.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAWSON  explained that  at the last  meeting it appeared  that                                                              
perhaps the scope of work for the  forest products effort is a bit                                                              
ambitious, considering  the time frame that remains  in the fiscal                                                              
year.  What wasn't  made clear during the meeting  on December 16,                                                              
1999,  was that  most,  if not  all,  of the  projects  are at  an                                                              
advanced  stage of completion,  and  the DCED  is seeking to  have                                                              
someone in  place for the remainder  of this fiscal year  in order                                                              
to complete those projects, which  would enable the DCED to recoup                                                              
the time and  money already invested in the projects  and to bring                                                              
those projects to fruition.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAWSON  noted that  one of  those projects  is a directory  of                                                              
Alaska sawmills;  there are approximately 100 sawmills  in Alaska,                                                              
and  more  than  60  of  those  companies  have  already  provided                                                              
information  to be  included  in  the directory,  which  is to  be                                                              
distributed  to   buyers  of  Alaska   forest  products   and  for                                                              
development of the  web site.  The other project  is the promotion                                                              
of Alaska's value-added  products in Japan, Korea  and Taiwan; one                                                              
of those  main projects is the  production and distribution  of an                                                              
Alaska products catalogue  in the language of  the customer, which                                                              
would be distributed  at trade shows and one-on-one  meetings with                                                              
potential buyers.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS  asked, "For  clarification, the department  [DCED]                                                              
has been  doing these projects,  they've been doing  these things.                                                              
This money will pay the department back?"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAWSON  responded that in terms  of the marketing  of Alaska's                                                              
value-added  products  in  Asia,  those were  projects  that  were                                                              
already  budgeted  for;  with  the  Industry  Network  Corporation                                                              
Grant, RPL 08-0-0101, providing funds  to do that, those funds can                                                              
be allocated  toward the forest  products specialist  position for                                                              
the remainder of this fiscal year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0602                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  wondered  if  it would  involve  hiring  an                                                              
employee  and  paying his  or  her salary.    He referred  to  the                                                              
expression  "soft money,"  which gives verbal  assurance  that the                                                              
grant will continue.  He asked, "If  the money goes away, does the                                                              
employee go away?"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. TEAL indicated  that the DCED had provided  assurance that the                                                              
grant would continue.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE noted that one  of the other reasons the RPL,                                                              
08-0-0101, was turned  down at the December 16,  1999, meeting was                                                              
that the legislative session's start was very near.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS made a motion to  approve the RPL, 08-0-0101/DCED                                                              
Industry Network Corporation Grant.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PHILLIPS  asked for  unanimous  consent.   There  being  no                                                              
objection,  the RPL, 08-0-0101/DCED  Industry Network  Corporation                                                              
Grant,  was  approved.   She  indicated  that  the next  order  of                                                              
business would  be the RPL, 06-0-0180/HSS Public  Preparedness for                                                              
Bioterrorism.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0717                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TEAL explained  that (indisc.--paper  shuffling) $700,000  in                                                              
federal receipts from the Center  for Disease Control bioterrorism                                                              
preparedness and  response program.   The intent is to  detect and                                                              
respond  to outbreaks  of bioterrorism;  to  increase the  state's                                                              
biological  laboratory  capacity;  and to  improve  public  health                                                              
electronic communication  and up-front  equipment purchases.   Mr.                                                              
Teal  indicated that  the  RPL, 06-0-0180,  was  discussed at  the                                                              
December 16, 1999, meeting; the concerns  expressed were the sense                                                              
of urgency,  how soon it needs to  be approved, and that  it was a                                                              
new initiative.  He noted that RPLs  are intended to fund existing                                                              
programs,   and  a  new   initiative  should   really  have   full                                                              
legislative  review.     The  third  concern  was   with  the  six                                                              
positions, which the  new write-up has as three  new positions and                                                              
three filling-a-vacancy positions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0804                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANET  CLARK,  Director,  Division   of  Administrative  Services,                                                              
Department of  Health and Social  Services (DHSS),  indicated that                                                              
Mr. Teal  had adequately described  the RPL, 06-0-0180,  $700,000,                                                              
and there  is no state  match required;  it is a four-year  grant.                                                              
The grant was awarded on August 30,  1999.  There is a letter from                                                              
the  federal agency  basically saying  that there  are some  time-                                                              
sensitive actions that  the DHSS needs to take in  the first grant                                                              
year  or  it  will jeopardize  getting  the  second-,  third-  and                                                              
fourth-year grants.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARK explained  that the DHSS has a requirement  to spend the                                                              
equipment dollars  in the  first year,  because waiting  until the                                                              
start of the  new fiscal year, July  1, 2000, will not  allow time                                                              
to purchase the equipment and have  it in place as required by the                                                              
grant.    In  January, after  the  Legislative  Budget  and  Audit                                                              
meeting  in December,  the DHSS had  received  a noticed from  the                                                              
Center  for  Disease Control  (CDC)  about  an anthrax  threat  to                                                              
Planned Parenthood  agencies in many  states.  The DHSS  wanted to                                                              
include this information to help  the committee understand that it                                                              
is a  real threat that  is becoming more  common.  She  added that                                                              
there was no threat in Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARK further stated that [DHSS]  views this as a way to build                                                              
the infrastructure for Alaska using  federal money.  As opposed to                                                              
the  DCED's   RPL,  these   activities  are   not  part   of  [the                                                              
department's]  regular work  plan.   This  is a  new activity  for                                                              
them, and  they think  it will help  strengthen Alaska's  program.                                                              
It was a competitively awarded grant;  Alaska was one of 20 states                                                              
to  receive  it.   The  federal  government  does  see  Alaska  as                                                              
strategically  located.    There is  a  lot  of support  from  the                                                              
military and  the Federal Bureau  of Investigation  (FBI), because                                                              
of the military  presence in Alaska  and the pipeline.   Ms. Clark                                                              
added that  Alaska was almost a sure  "in" when they went  for the                                                              
competitive proposal.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PHILLIPS  mentioned that  in  the House  Finance  Committee                                                              
meeting  the previous  day, in  conversations  with the  military,                                                              
there seemed to be much more emphasis  on bioterrorism.  She noted                                                              
that bioterrorism is a concern for Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS stressed  that from this point  forward, he would                                                              
like  the  agencies to  refrain  from  saying  that this  is  only                                                              
federal funds.  He stated:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     We just  went through  a vote September  14.  People  in                                                                   
     Alaska  obviously think  we spend too  much money;  they                                                                   
     think the budget  is $6 to $7 billion, and  they frankly                                                                   
     don't care  whether it's federal  or state or  whatever.                                                                   
     It's  spending in  the state.   And the  message we  got                                                                   
     last September  is we are  spending too much  money, and                                                                   
     they really don't give a rip  whether it's state general                                                                   
     dollars  or  federal dollars,  so  I wish  the  agencies                                                                   
     would  refrain  from  saying it's  only  federal  funds.                                                                   
     Therefore, ... we should be  concerned about it, because                                                                   
     we just had a vote; 84 percent  of them said, "you spend                                                                   
     too much money" - or at least  that's the interpretation                                                                   
     - so  be conscious  of what  you say  on how much  money                                                                   
     we're  spending in  the state  of  Alaska, whether  it's                                                                   
     state funds, receipts or whatever.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE said that she would take that into account.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT responded:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Well,  I'd urge  you not  to take  it into  account.   I                                                                   
     think  it makes  a  great deal  of  difference, and  you                                                                   
     should  tell us whether  it's federal  money or  program                                                                   
     receipts  or  general fund  money.    There's a  lot  of                                                                   
     different interpretations,  and it's - to some  extent -                                                                   
     our job,  and our job in  the next election,  to explain                                                                   
     what we  thought they meant in  the vote.  But  yours is                                                                   
     to tell us the source of funds,  and the source of funds                                                                   
     here is  all federal.  ... What  were the criteria  that                                                                   
     were  in  the  grant  that allowed  us  to  receive  it?                                                                   
     Strategic importance  was one, I guess.   What were some                                                                   
     of the others?  Do you recall?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MATT  ANDERSON,  Unit  Manager,  Community  Health  and  Emergency                                                              
Medical Services (EMS),  Department  of Health and Social Services                                                            
(DHSS),  indicated  that there  is  indeed a  heightened  national                                                              
concern about  bioterrorism.  As  a consequence, federal  money is                                                              
being  made  available  to  build  public  health  infrastructures                                                              
specifically  for the  purpose of  identifying  and responding  to                                                              
bioterrorist threats.   The application actually  allowed the DHSS                                                              
to apply  for funding  in several  different categories  including                                                              
laboratory  capacity,  epidemiology  capacity,  the  health  alert                                                              
network, and a few others.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CROFT wondered,  "Would  the military  necessarily                                                              
tell us if there'd been a threat  to military institutions?  Might                                                              
they keep that secret?"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON said  that he  did  not know  the answer.   He  then                                                              
stated:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I  know that  we have  an outstanding  rapport with  the                                                                   
     military  and involve them  in all of  our planning.   I                                                                   
     would suspect that they would  make us aware of anything                                                                   
     that threatened  the civilian population, and  I do know                                                                   
     that  the FBI [and]  the military  are always  concerned                                                                   
     about the safety  of the citizenry, and I  would suspect                                                                   
     that they would  make any threats known if  they thought                                                                   
     we could do something about it.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS  explained that the  legislature was  informed that                                                              
there  will  be  a  20-member  team  of  bioterrorism  specialists                                                              
assigned  to Alaska, which  will be  able to  work with  any local                                                              
government entity  that has  a threat against  it, such as  a fire                                                              
department or a  police department.  She added that  Alaska is one                                                              
of the few states that has been assigned this specialized team.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1141                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE responded:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I share Senator Phillip's concern  ....  Admittedly, not                                                                   
     everyone views  it that way.  But for those  who take $6                                                                   
     billion  plus and divide  it by  their residents of  the                                                                   
     state and  say we are  outrageous in our spending,  this                                                                   
     adds  fuel  to their  frustration.   And,  again,  their                                                                   
     frustration  doesn't matter.   The money comes  from the                                                                   
     people ....  A greater percentage  of it comes from - if                                                                   
     it's  federal dollars  - from  you  and I  than if  it's                                                                   
     state  dollars, because  we don't pay  any state  income                                                                   
     tax;  we most certainly  pay federal  income taxes.  ...                                                                   
     You said this  was granted on a competitive  basis, 1 of                                                                   
     20 states.   Is that because Alaska has a  higher threat                                                                   
     of bioterrorism ...?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON replied:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska was  seen as  having strategic importance  partly                                                                   
     because  of its  remoteness.   Calling  for the  cavalry                                                                   
     means quite a lag in response.  ... They understood that                                                                   
     we  needed to  develop  some self-sufficiency  up  here.                                                                   
     One of the  consequences of that was that  Anchorage was                                                                   
     named  as  1  of  127  cities  to  be  designated  as  a                                                                   
     metropolitan   medical  strike   team  to  build   their                                                                   
     infrastructure  within   their  community.     But  more                                                                   
     importantly, the federal government,  I think, wanted to                                                                   
     prime the  pump to get  enhanced capabilities  to detect                                                                   
     both, particularly covert bioterrorist  events, and have                                                                   
     responses  that protect  not only the  citizens but  the                                                                   
     rescuers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     An  interesting  note  regarding the  raid  team  that's                                                                   
     being assigned  to Alaska, and an interesting  irony, is                                                                   
     the fact  that all of these  teams that are  being built                                                                   
     in  Anchorage ...  are somewhat dependent,  I think,  in                                                                   
     varying  degrees,  but  some largely  dependent  on  the                                                                   
     ability of the Department of  Health and Social Services                                                                   
     to  rapidly  identify that  an  event has  occurred  and                                                                   
     identify or  rule out a particular  agent.  And  I think                                                                   
     if  history is  any indication,  it's only  a matter  of                                                                   
     time  before  the  anthrax   threats  march  across  the                                                                   
     country.  And so far, they're  in Wisconsin, but I think                                                                   
     it's  probably a  matter of  time  before they're  here.                                                                   
     And  I think  we need  to be  prepared for  that, and  I                                                                   
     think  this gives  us  a great  opportunity  to get  our                                                                   
     house  in order  with respect  to  bioterrorism, at  the                                                                   
     same  time  significantly  improving  our  basic  public                                                                   
     health infrastructure.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1283                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CROFT asked,  "This allows  us to  detect so  that                                                              
then we can  call this SWAT team  or the military SWAT  team.  How                                                              
does   this  augment   the  military   response  capability   that                                                              
Representative Phillips talked about?"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  said  he  has not  been  entirely  briefed  on  the                                                              
capabilities of  the raid team, and  they have yet to  be trained.                                                              
He pointed  out that Alaska was named  as a recipient of  the raid                                                              
team only that morning.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CROFT wondered,  in  general terms,  how they  are                                                              
informed of an outbreak.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  said there  would be two  different kind  of events.                                                              
In an overt event,  one might receive a letter  that says, "You've                                                              
just been exposed  to anthrax."   In a covert event, there  may be                                                              
one very sick person going to one  hospital and another going to a                                                              
different hospital, with the inability to put those together.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT  clarified that  by using the  term "covert,"                                                              
Mr. Anderson means  that there is no announcement  and people just                                                              
start getting sick.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1357                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE  indicated  that the funds  were not  earmarked  in any                                                              
appropriation  bill by  U.S. Senator  Ted Stevens  at the  federal                                                              
level.  It was from the federal agency  itself.  In that sense, it                                                              
certainly was competitive.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN stated that he, too,  would like to know the source                                                              
of the  funds.  He said  he draws a  very bright line  between his                                                              
money and  the federal  government's  money.   If he is  presented                                                              
with a  project that he  feels is good  for the people  of Alaska,                                                              
then he  is willing to spend  his money.   And if he can  get some                                                              
help from tax dollars from Arkansas  or New York, he would do that                                                              
as well.   He informed  the committee that  he is not in  the camp                                                              
that is worried  about spending $6  billion.  He wondered  how the                                                              
20-person  contingency  would interface  with  the  money that  is                                                              
being spent,  because he  can see  that as  time marches  on, they                                                              
will be linked up.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS  indicated that when  the military has the  team in                                                              
place, the Legislative Budget and  Audit committee could request a                                                              
report from  them and  hold another meeting  later in  the session                                                              
with those people from the DHSS.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THERRIAULT wondered  about the personnel  request.                                                              
He clarified that the intention is  to fill three vacant positions                                                              
and add  three new ones  instead of  the original proposal,  which                                                              
was to add six new positions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE said, "That's correct."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT  clarified that there is  $800,000, with                                                              
$200,000 to  be spent  on equipment and  $100,000 apiece  for each                                                              
position.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE stated:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     One of  the issues  with the information  on the  RPL is                                                                   
     that   we   were   considering   contracting   for   the                                                                   
     microcomputer  technicians,  and  so  the  money  is  in                                                                   
     contractual for  those positions.  However,  this is one                                                                   
     area that it's actually cheaper  to hire state employees                                                                   
     than to  go out on an  hourly basis and contract,  so we                                                                   
     do have to  move that money into personal  services.  So                                                                   
     that's why the dollars don't quite look right.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THERRIAULT  asked   Ms.  Clarke  to  describe  the                                                              
positions, which will need to be looked at in the next budget.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE responded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We're  asking for  three  positions:   a  microbiologist                                                                   
     trained especially for biological  agents to work in the                                                                   
     lab,  a  distance-learning  coordinator  to  ensure  the                                                                   
     communication   system is  fully utilized for  training,                                                                   
     and a public  health specialist to work with  health and                                                                   
     medical  providers on recording  unusual disease  events                                                                   
     in some of these hospitals or other positions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THERRIAULT wondered  if the DHSS  has any  of that                                                              
capability  now as  far  as disease  outbreaks  or  if someone  is                                                              
monitoring disease outbreaks.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKE responded  that  they  have disease  specialists,  but                                                              
anthrax is a different biological  agent, and different skills are                                                              
needed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1535                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON indicated  there are  individuals  who identify  the                                                              
bugs and survey  for disease outbreaks, trying to  find the causes                                                              
and recommend treatment.  Those resources  are stretched very thin                                                              
right now.   Furthermore, those individuals lack  the training and                                                              
capabilities  to deal specifically  with  biological agents.   The                                                              
individuals  that will  be hired  under the grant  will do  things                                                              
that  are much  different  from their  traditional  calling.   One                                                              
thing that this  grant does is promote "dual use"  where, in times                                                              
of  stress on  those traditional  resources, these  people can  be                                                              
used to assist with a normal disease outbreak.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THERRIAULT  wondered  if these  individuals  hired                                                              
under the grant  just "equip-up" and wait for the  call to come or                                                              
can assist in normal disease outbreaks.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON indicated  that they  have the  individuals under  a                                                              
very ambitious  work plan.   They will be developing  capabilities                                                              
over the  next four years  in a very  coherent manner  to identify                                                              
and respond to bioterrorist events.   When they are not engaged in                                                              
those activities  or when a need  comes for them to migrate  to an                                                              
[emergency] response, they have the capability to do so.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1645                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  wondered how  many private labs  there are  in the                                                              
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said  he did not know, but there are  more each year,                                                              
none of which has the capability  of doing the kinds of tests that                                                              
are being done by the public health lab.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  wondered if the  microbiologists would  be working                                                              
as a training resource to the private labs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON explained that part  of the project is to ensure that                                                              
training takes  place throughout  the state  - involving  not only                                                              
state   personnel  involved   in   surveillance,  protection   and                                                              
response, but  also the  private medical community  - so  that, to                                                              
the  extent that  their resources  permit, they  can identify  the                                                              
organism  or rule out  the organism.   Therefore,  even when  that                                                              
does occur, the  public health laboratory will  have significantly                                                              
more resources than any private lab in the state.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE asked whether there  are federal labs in the state.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON responded  that there are federal labs  in the state,                                                              
none  of  which   has  the  capabilities  for   identifying  these                                                              
particular organisms.   Most of the organisms are  sent out to the                                                              
Center for Disease Control surveillance.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1704                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     So, we're planning  as a state to develop  the expertise                                                                   
     and the  lab that  will be responsible  for training  up                                                                   
     and down:   up to the  federal laboratory  personnel, be                                                                   
     they military or  civilian, and down to the  private - I                                                                   
     don't mean  up and down pejoratively  - but down  to the                                                                   
     private  labs  in  the  state.    Just  in  reading  the                                                                   
     description of  the whole program, ... it  sounds to me,                                                                   
     reading between  the lines, that we're using  the threat                                                                   
     of a bioterrorist  attack - which I take  seriously - as                                                                   
     a  way to  fill in  some positions  that the  department                                                                   
     would like to have that aren't  necessarily all that ...                                                                   
     specifically  centered  on   the  bioterrorism,  like  a                                                                   
     distance-learning coordinator.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I  know that  Senator Stevens  did get  $30 million  for                                                                   
     distance delivery  in the state, and I can't  imagine we                                                                   
     need  another distance-learning  coordinator,  so I'm  a                                                                   
     little confused  ... by some  of the descriptions.   So,                                                                   
     one microbiologist  in the state,  in the state  lab, is                                                                   
     suddenly going to be the person  for the whole state who                                                                   
     sets up the system by which  labs will be able to do the                                                                   
     work  and catch  and then  find  any sort  of an  attack                                                                   
     statewide.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ANDERSON  responded   that   one  microbiologist   and   one                                                              
epidemiologist will  be responsible for building  the capabilities                                                              
within  those two  sections.   This  is  a multi-disciplinary  and                                                              
multi-organizational   project   involving   partners   from   the                                                              
military, the  Municipality of Anchorage,  and law  enforcement to                                                              
ensure  that  their  needs  are   being  met  without  duplicating                                                              
efforts.  Within those organizations  such as laboratories and the                                                              
section of epidemiology, a great  deal of dialogue has taken place                                                              
to ensure  that the entire organization  is enhanced by  this, not                                                              
simply relying on one person to do  all the work, even though that                                                              
person   will  be   primarily  responsible   for  writing   plans,                                                              
identifying training opportunities,  and ensuring that the correct                                                              
equipment is purchased.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1814                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE asked  where the  description of  the other  three                                                              
employees was listed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE  indicated  it is  on page  2 of the  writeup where  it                                                              
reads,   "existing  vacant   PCNs   will   be  for   microcomputer                                                              
technicians."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said, "So, three microcomputer technicians."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKE responded,  "Right.   To  keep  the new  communication                                                              
system up."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE wondered who is keeping the system up now.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1835                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  explained that this particular  communication system                                                              
does not exist.   A major thrust  of the federal initiative  was a                                                              
health alert network, which would  allow two things to occur:  one                                                              
is very rapid alerting to health  care providers that an event has                                                              
taken place,  and the  second is the  ability to conduct  distance                                                              
learning,  in recognition  of  the fact  that  most public  health                                                              
[personnel] throughout  the country  are inadequately  trained, at                                                              
this point, to deal with terrorist events.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE  emphasized  that  there is  an  entire  distance-                                                              
delivery system of medical services  in place or being built.  She                                                              
indicated  that  $171,000 is  not  going  to [cover]  a  statewide                                                              
system or enough microcomputers to have three technicians.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  explained that the  major initiative he knows  of in                                                              
Alaska is  called the  AFHCAN (Alaska  Federal Health Care  Access                                                              
Network)  project;   it  has  the  potential  to   really  improve                                                              
telecommunication and  distance education in Alaska.   However, it                                                              
is mostly  destined for  federal facilities  and community  health                                                              
aides.  What is not linked right  now is our public health nursing                                                              
network  and   the  distance-learning  project.     The  offerings                                                              
available  from  public  health   personnel,  with  all  of  their                                                              
specialties,  are  enormous.    He  believes  that  the  distance-                                                              
learning   coordinator   will  be   very   busy  identifying   and                                                              
distributing the training.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE stated:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  distance   learning  coordinator   and  the   three                                                                   
     microcomputer  technicians are  going to  be working  on                                                                   
     something   that's   entirely   ...  outside   of   this                                                                   
     particular  grant, and just  bioterrorism and  computers                                                                   
     that  are ...  a system  that's being  built with  money                                                                   
     somewhere else that you don't talk about in here.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1920                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE responded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Public health nurses are one  of the last groups to come                                                                   
     into the networking  age, and we do not have  our public                                                                   
     health  nursing centers  networked.   And  so this  will                                                                   
     allow us to  do that for public health nursing,  as well                                                                   
     as putting the support to keep  that network going.  So,                                                                   
     you are correct.  We are able  to use this federal grant                                                                   
     to do  something that we believe  we need to  do anyway.                                                                   
     So, that's  where we say  that the health  alert network                                                                   
     doesn't  exist.   This will  help  connect this  network                                                                   
     with other networks that clearly, as you point out, do                                                                     
     exist.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1956                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE expressed concern  that this grant will cause                                                              
the state  workforce to grow  by three people.   He asked  if this                                                              
will  be "soft  money."     He  also asked  whether  there is  any                                                              
assurance from the  DHSS that in the third or fourth  year, if the                                                              
grant is not forthcoming, the individuals will go away.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKE  responded,  "Absolutely."   She  explained  that  the                                                              
Division of  Public Health has  significant "soft money,"  and has                                                              
had to lose  specialists when a federal  grant has gone  away.  It                                                              
is  a typical  way  that  they have  funded  public  health.   She                                                              
expressed concern with having the  full legislature review the new                                                              
proposal, which  she feels is a good  one.  The grant  was awarded                                                              
in August,  and there are some  requirements to spend  the dollars                                                              
in a  timely manner; therefore,  if they  wait until July  1, they                                                              
could not spend the money as the  federal agency has required, and                                                              
it might  jeopardize the second, third  and fourth year.   That is                                                              
why the RPL is being resubmitted to the committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  indicated  that  he  understands  the  time                                                              
crunch, but  said there does seem  to be some  duplication between                                                              
the federal   agencies and  the state.  He  wants to be  sure that                                                              
this grant is  absolutely necessary.  He asked  if bioterrorism is                                                              
referring  to domestic  terrorism  or foreign  terrorism,  because                                                              
foreign terrorism seems to be a federal responsibility.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  stated that  the threats  were carefully  considered                                                              
during  the grant-writing  process.    Unfortunately,  in most  of                                                              
these events  the source is uncertain,  whether it is  domestic or                                                              
foreign.   During  a response  that information  is not  critical,                                                              
because either way the response is  conducted in the same way.  He                                                              
explained that one  of the things they took great  pains to do was                                                              
survey the resources that currently  exist in Alaska.  At the time                                                              
of  the  grant,  the  raid  team did  not  exist.    Mr.  Anderson                                                              
indicated  DHSS is  scheduled to  meet  with representatives  from                                                              
that team  next week.   He said he  could assure the  committee to                                                              
date  that the  process that  has  been used  was entirely  geared                                                              
toward   ensuring  the   support  and   enhancement  of   existing                                                              
capabilities, and  not toward duplication;  although there  may be                                                              
minor overlap between federal agencies  and the state, that may be                                                              
healthy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I, too,  would add  my voice to  hearing about how  this                                                                   
     will be  coordinated with what  is really another  state                                                                   
     agency, the National Guard,  and I appreciate you having                                                                   
     an awareness and concern about duplication.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS indicated a meeting would be scheduled.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT said:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It seems to me you're facing  the criticism that this is                                                                   
     a  whole new  program or  it's  not really  a whole  new                                                                   
     program.  And  if it's a whole new program,  people have                                                                   
     concerns  that they  don't  want to  start  a whole  new                                                                   
     program .  And if it's not,  then it's just a subterfuge                                                                   
     to do  what you were doing  before.  I don't  think it's                                                                   
     all of one  or the other.   I mean, I think it  is a new                                                                   
     initiative  that's  going  to   leverage  some  existing                                                                   
     things.   It's  been  interesting watching  you  getting                                                                   
     grilled on both  ends that "this is entirely  new, isn't                                                                   
     it?" and "this isn't entirely  new, isn't it?"  But I do                                                                   
     hope you will  coordinate - leverage - whatever  we have                                                                   
     in  terms of  communication equipment  or networks,  and                                                                   
     coordinate with whatever the federal government has.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2165                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Just  looking  at  the  backup here,  it  says,  "It  is                                                                   
     expected that the general funds  to maintain this effort                                                                   
     at the end  of the grant period" - which is  ... four or                                                                   
     five [years]  - "will not  be needed since  the majority                                                                   
     of  the   funding  is  for  development   and  equipment                                                                   
     purchase,  which will  be completed  by the  end of  the                                                                   
     grant  period."   But if  you've  got specially  trained                                                                   
     personnel,  is that  a  realistic statement  that  there                                                                   
     won't be some kind of ongoing  need now?  It may be four                                                                   
     years from  now, but  there's going to  have to  be some                                                                   
     personnel kept on.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE said:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We'll have  to assess  that at the  time, and it  may be                                                                   
     that  if we have  some occurrences  that this  certainly                                                                   
     becomes more  important than something else  we're doing                                                                   
     with state general  funds.  But right now  this is "soft                                                                   
     money," and that's how we're approaching it.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2210                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS asked  if there was any opposition  to the approval                                                              
of  RPL 06-0-0180/HSS/HSS  Public  Preparedness for  Bioterrorism.                                                              
There being no objection, the RPL was approved.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
EXECUTIVE SESSION                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2216                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a motion to  move to executive  session for                                                              
the purpose of  discussing the audits.  There  being no objection,                                                              
the committee went into executive session at 9:10 a.m.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Chair  Phillips asked  the  Legislative Finance  Division  staff,                                                              
Legislative  Audit  Division  staff,  Tom Maher  and  Pat  Hartley                                                              
(Legislative  Budget  and  Audit  Committee aide)  to  attend  the                                                              
executive session]                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS made a motion to resume  open session.  There being                                                              
no objection, the committee resumed open session at 9:40 a.m.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AUDIT REPORTS                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2235                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a motion  to release the  following audits:                                                              
Department  of Administration,  Alaska  Oil  and Gas  Conservation                                                            
Commission, and Department of Community  and Economic Development,                                                              
Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska;  Department of  Administration,                                                              
Division  of Alaska  Longevity  Programs,  Alaska Pioneer's  Home;                                                              
Department  of  Transportation  and   Public  Facilities,  Central                                                              
Region, Homer  Gravel Roads  Project.   There being no  objection,                                                              
those three audits were released to the public.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR Phillips  noted that the  Alaska Housing Finance  Audit is                                                              
not  up for  release.   He reminded  members  that it  is still  a                                                              
preliminary audit at this time.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS clarified  that  the motion  is  to release  the                                                              
preliminary  audits  for  departmental  review.   There  being  no                                                              
objection, those audits were released  to the agencies for review.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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Number 0055                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAT  DAVIDSON, Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative Audit  Division,                                                              
Alaska  State Legislature,  mentioned the  need to  follow up,  as                                                              
needed,  on  any  of  the  issues   and  concerns  raised  in  the                                                              
consultant's  report  on  a  broad basis  outside  of  the  Mat-Su                                                              
[Matanuska-Susitna] Youth Facility.   Alternatively, the committee                                                              
may wish to hold any action and wait  for the consultant's report,                                                              
which may  be out within  the next month or  so, and look  at what                                                              
those  findings  and  concerns  are  and then  develop  -  or  any                                                              
individual member may develop - an  audit request as it relates to                                                              
DOT [Department of Transportation & Public Facilities].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0148                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a motion  to approve the  recommendation by                                                              
Pat Davidson.  He stated:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I believe that the Division  of Legislative Audit should                                                                   
     review the  costs and benefits  utilizing DOT's  staff -                                                                   
     managed  facilities  construction projects  compared  to                                                                   
     the private construction management.   Additionally, the                                                                   
     division should follow up, as  needed, on any issues and                                                                   
     concerns  raised by the  consultants [regarding]  review                                                                   
     of the Mat-Su Youth Facility Project.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, the recommendation was approved.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPORT FROM THE DENALI COMMISSION                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0238                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KRAG JOHNSON,  Legislative Coordinator for the  Denali Commission,                                                              
stated:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  commission was  introduced by  Senator Stevens  and                                                                   
     approved  by  Congress  in 1998.    It's  an  innovative                                                                   
     federal/state partnership to  solve critical problems in                                                                   
     Alaska.   The  many reports  and stories  that come  out                                                                   
     about  the Denali  Commission's  funding --  and so,  to                                                                   
     review the  facts, the  original FY99 appropriation  for                                                                   
     the commission was $20 million,  and the funding for the                                                                   
     current  fiscal  year,  fiscal  year  2000,  is  at  $20                                                                   
     million.  And  the commission has submitted  a work plan                                                                   
     to  the Secretary  of Commerce  for  next year's  budget                                                                   
     that is requesting $45 million for fiscal year 01.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     To recap,  real quickly, the FY99 funded  project's list                                                                   
     is included  in the packet.   Primarily, the  commission                                                                   
     followed  the  adopted  theme  of rural  energy.    Over                                                                   
     three-quarters  of the budget  was funded for  bulk fuel                                                                   
     storage  facilities  and  energy   upgrades.    And  the                                                                   
     commission's   intent    is   to   start    with   basic                                                                   
     infrastructure,  like the bulk  fuel storage  facilities                                                                   
     and energy  upgrades, and then  expand from  this point.                                                                   
     So, the selection of the projects  for FY99 followed the                                                                   
     Department of  Community and Regional Affairs,  Division                                                                   
     of  Energy's listing,  which  is now  the Alaska  Energy                                                                   
     Authority,  and  that  was   the  priority  listing  for                                                                   
     selection of  communities.  It's estimated  the need for                                                                   
     bulk fuel storage facilities  in Alaska is approximately                                                                   
     $450 million (indisc.) included.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Moving  on to the  current fiscal  year, the  commission                                                                   
     will  be deciding  funding  allocations  for the  fiscal                                                                   
     year 2000  at a January 21  meeting here in  Juneau next                                                                   
     Friday, and the commission has  decided to continue with                                                                   
     the  rural energy  theme, which  means approximately  75                                                                   
     percent of  this year's budget  will go to  further bulk                                                                   
     fuel storage  facilities and energy upgrades.   And once                                                                   
     again the  commission will follow the bulk  fuel storage                                                                   
     facility  and energy  upgrade  listing  from the  Alaska                                                                   
     Energy Authority.                                                                                                          
     I can  mention the  commission's requesting $45  million                                                                   
     for Congress for  FY01.  A copy of the  actual work plan                                                                   
     that was  submitted to the  Secretary of Commerce  is in                                                                   
     the packet, and the commission  will continue once again                                                                   
     with  the rural  energy theme,  but  also is  discussing                                                                   
     adopting additional themes for  FY01, and a few of those                                                                   
     that are  being discussed are  rural health  clinics and                                                                   
     multi-use facilities.   A complete copy of  that work is                                                                   
     in the packet.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Also,  recent  news  about   the  Trans-Alaska  Pipeline                                                                   
     liability  funds - and  so, to kind  of briefly  go over                                                                   
     that, the state, and presumably  DEC, would be receiving                                                                   
     $18 million  from this  Trans-Alaska Pipeline  liability                                                                   
     fund  settlement  for  bulk  fuel  tank  remediation  in                                                                   
     Alaska.   And  the $6.2  million was  designated to  the                                                                   
     permanent fund  by law, and the Denali  Commission will,                                                                   
     in  the future,  be  receiving an  annual  appropriation                                                                   
     from the interest of  this account;  that's estimated to                                                                   
     be $8.5  million, and this  will be a continuous  annual                                                                   
     appropriation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     So, to give  you an idea of ... the economic  engine the                                                                   
     commission  could become if  we had this funding  source                                                                   
     from the  Trans-Alaska Pipeline  account, at the  end of                                                                   
     next year and the beginning  of the next fiscal year and                                                                   
     the request of  $45 million for FY01, it's  possible the                                                                   
     commission   would   have  approximately   $62   million                                                                   
     available in FY01.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     We also  included in  your packets a  copy of the  first                                                                   
     draft  of  a  statewide energy  plan.    The  commission                                                                   
     partnered  with the  USDA [United  States Department  of                                                                   
     Agriculture]   rural  development   and  AIDEA   [Alaska                                                                   
     Industrial  Development  and  Export Authority]  to  put                                                                   
     together  a  statewide energy  plan.    The goal  is  to                                                                   
     provide   some  consistent   policies  and   coordinated                                                                   
     efforts  with  the  agencies  that  are  funding  Alaska                                                                   
     energy projects;  and a copy of the first  phase of this                                                                   
     plan is  included in the packet.   And phase two  of the                                                                   
     plan is slated to be completed by the October 2000.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Workforce development  and economic development  are two                                                                   
     areas  the commission also  has been  charged with.   It                                                                   
     could be the most important  work of the commission, but                                                                   
     is also  the most difficult to  make an impact.   At the                                                                   
     upcoming meeting  next week, a training strategy  and an                                                                   
     economic  development   strategy  will  be   before  the                                                                   
     commission  for further discussion;  and both copies  of                                                                   
     those strategies are in the  January 21 backup material.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0625                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFF STASER,  Co-Chairman, Denali Commission, indicated  that they                                                              
are not before the  committee to ask for money; they  are there to                                                              
explain who  they are, what  they are doing,  and how they  do it.                                                              
They  think of  themselves as  a partnership  between the  federal                                                              
government and the people of the  state; the federal government is                                                              
the venture  capitalist willing  to invest in  the state,  and the                                                              
people of the state make the decisions  regarding how to spend the                                                              
money.   He  noted that  the  co-chair on  the  commission is  the                                                              
Governor, and  there are  five statewide  organizations.   He sees                                                              
the  legislators as  stockholders  and investors.   He  emphasized                                                              
that  the commission  cannot succeed  without  the partnership  of                                                              
everbody in Alaska.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  said that as  a federal agency,  the U.S.  Congress is                                                              
basically acting  as the  board of  directors; they are  investing                                                              
state-elected  federal  tax dollars  from  around  the country  in                                                              
Alaska, and  every state has the  right to ask the  commission how                                                              
and  why   they  are  spending  their   money  in  Alaska.     The                                                              
commission's message  is to demonstrate to them that  they are not                                                              
doing things that  could otherwise be done by anybody  else in the                                                              
state,  and that  these  are appropriate  things  for the  federal                                                              
government to be  participating in.  Alaska, with  600,000 people,                                                              
has a disproportionate  share of influence over  federal spending.                                                              
He said  Alaskans should  be proud  of what they  can do  and have                                                              
been doing with the help from the federal government.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER said  that the start of the commission,  back in April,                                                              
when they  established themselves  as a  federal agency,  was with                                                              
their own  budgeting.  They  formed interagency staff  with highly                                                              
skilled  professionals   who  were   being  detailed   from  other                                                              
organizations  to their  staff.   The  federal agencies  recognize                                                              
this  as an avenue  to go  around some  of their  problems and  to                                                              
participate in creative  solutions for all of Alaska.   He pointed                                                              
out that they had three years' worth  of federal budgeting done in                                                              
the last nine months.  They not only  did their part in presenting                                                              
to  the federal  community their  needs and  the justification  of                                                              
what they are doing, but they also,  as a team, have persuaded the                                                              
President  of  the   United  States  to  budget   for  the  Denali                                                              
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0868                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE wondered what is involved in state funds.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  indicated that  the Denali Commission  is to  go where                                                              
there are  gaps, where the  state cannot get  to a problem.   They                                                              
look, as  part of their criteria,  for cost-sharing.   They figure                                                              
that if local  communities in the state are not  willing to invest                                                              
in a  project, why should  the commission  invest.  He  noted that                                                              
currently they do  not require matching funds from  the state.  If                                                              
a project  is being  cost-shared, then it  should be  given higher                                                              
priority.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER  wondered how many general funds  are in the                                                              
commission's  budget, and  if there are  federal requirements  for                                                              
how much money can be spent on staffing.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER responded,  "Absolutely."  He said in  the law there is                                                              
a 5  percent cap on what  can be spent  on overhead.  With  all of                                                              
the startup  costs and  staffing issues over  the last  year, with                                                              
the first $20 million the overhead was less than 3 percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  wondered   what  was  meant  by  "multi-use                                                              
facilities."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  indicated that  there are some  great examples  of how                                                              
the  federal  government  designs  a  program  based  on  national                                                              
assessments  of  need,   but  that  leaves  gaps.     The  federal                                                              
government doesn't  understand the  uniqueness of Alaska,  so they                                                              
ask  if  the  commission  needs   bulk  fuel  tanks  or  multi-use                                                              
facilities, which  the commission  is thankful about,  even though                                                              
the  commission hasn't  carved  out a  place  for them  yet.   Mr.                                                              
Staser said  if they can get  economies of scale  and efficiencies                                                              
by consolidating programs, then "let's  do it."  He indicated they                                                              
have  federal agencies  coming to  them and  saying, "Let's  enter                                                              
into   an  MOU   [memorandum   of  understanding];   extend   your                                                              
authorities  to our  program  and we  can get  more  bang for  the                                                              
federal buck."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BUNDE  wondered  if   the  money  is   a  federal                                                              
appropriation or gets filtered through the state budget.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1152                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
MR. STASER  explained  that the commission  puts  in a work  plan,                                                              
which contains the  requests which they believe they  need and the                                                              
reasons.   Congress puts together  a budget, which is  signed into                                                              
law  by the  President.   The money  goes  to the  OMB [Office  of                                                              
Management and  Budget] at the  federal level, which  allocates it                                                              
to the agencies.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE clarified  that  the money  does not  expand                                                              
Alaska's total budget.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS  wondered who  is responsible for  the multi-                                                              
purpose  building  five  years  from  now, when  it  needs  to  be                                                              
repaired.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STASER  indicated that  at  this  point  it is  difficult  to                                                              
comment on  how the multi-purpose  area will be structured.   This                                                              
is  an  issue  that  the  commission   is  wrestling  with.    The                                                              
principles that  they have outlined  in their criteria are:   what                                                              
are the long-term  operations in maintenance, and how  can it be a                                                              
self-sufficient, enabling  type of utility?  The  priority will go                                                              
where the needs are, but there also  needs to be flexibility.  The                                                              
issues  of  operations   and  maintenance  are   critical  to  the                                                              
selection  process.   The commission  is being  instructed by  the                                                              
communities  as  to what  they  need and  how  they  are going  to                                                              
maintain it.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1394                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT  described his experience  with visiting                                                              
a well-maintained  facility in a  community.  He said  somebody in                                                              
the community  was responsible for  maintaining the  facility, and                                                              
there was  no vandalism.  He  also described a  different scenario                                                              
where the  facility had  holes punched through  the walls  and the                                                              
machinery  was in disrepair;  no  one in the  community wanted  to                                                              
take on the responsibility  of the facility.  He  pointed out that                                                              
there is a level of sophistication  that makes all the difference.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  indicated that  he has a  high level of  confidence in                                                              
the  people  of Alaska.    There  has  been  an explosion  in  the                                                              
population in rural  Alaska, which puts a strain  on the utilities                                                              
and  infrastructure,  but there  is  also  a generation  that  has                                                              
learned how to use the federal government effectively.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said he hopes  the commission sticks to that,                                                              
because he  has seen, too many  times, people waiting  for someone                                                              
to write a grant rather than picking  up a shovel and starting the                                                              
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  explained that  they need to  be guided by  the Alaska                                                              
legislature and  other members of the  state to fill the  gaps and                                                              
to get  the federal government  to do the  right thing.   It takes                                                              
teamwork.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1628                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD  pointed out  that Alaska has  a history,  in some                                                              
communities,  wherein the  pipe from  the sewer  and water  system                                                              
that  failed from  the  1980s is  sitting next  to  the pipe  that                                                              
failed from  the 1990s.  In  these communities the  highest ground                                                              
is  three to  four  feet above  sea  level; therefore,  the  sewer                                                              
system, which is  waterborne and gravity-based, is  never going to                                                              
work in  some of those  locations.  He  hopes some money  gets put                                                              
into alternative  methods of dealing  with sewer systems  in those                                                              
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  indicated the  commission is  working with  the Alaska                                                              
Science  Technology Foundation.   He  said the  commission is  not                                                              
interested  in doing a  lot of  research.   However, if  some good                                                              
ideas are  generated by the  Alaska Science Technology  Foundation                                                              
and the Alaska  legislature, then the commission  would be willing                                                              
to get them out to the communities.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS wondered  if the  commission is  doing the  same                                                              
things in the area of alternative energy.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. STASER  replied, "Yes."  He  indicated that as  the commission                                                              
grows and expands, they will look at all of the alternatives.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OTHER COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There was no other business discussed at the meeting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1824                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PHILLIPS adjourned the Joint Committee on Legislative                                                                     
Budget and Audit at 10:20 a.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

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